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vavletrain: lifters, rockers, and pushrods questions

 
georgiaboyzr2 georgiaboyzr2
User | Posts: 61 | Joined: 05/09
Posted: 10/18/09
05:05 PM

building a 406. its got a mild cam with .460/.480 lift, flat tappet. heres my questions... i need to buy some rocker arms, what is the stock ratio? im looking at getting some summit brand stamped steel rockers just like factory, but in a higher ratio, like 1.6... im building this motor for torque in a chevy truck, what ratio rocker should i go with? 1.5, 1.52, and 1.6 are whats available in stamped form. also, will i need to get longer pushrods or can i use the stock pushrods? my last question, half the people i talk to say to never soak the lifters in trans fluid/oil, the other half say i need to soak them... whats the right answer? soak or not to soak?  

 
gettnlarge01 gettnlarge01
Addict | Posts: 2669 | Joined: 09/09
Posted: 10/18/09
05:19 PM

Stock rocker ratio is supposed to be 1.52 but due to deflection its more like 1.44.  Comp Cams makes the mmost accurate rockers thats what I recommend. On a mild engine like that I would use Comp Cams 1.52. You will not need longer pushrods but if your having the block and heads milled for compression you might need shorter pushrods. I dont soak my lifters but I do prime the engine before cranking.  

 
Dave632 Dave632
Enthusiast | Posts: 264 | Joined: 07/08
Posted: 10/18/09
07:18 PM

I cannot see the harm in using the 1.6s if they are available. I would check valve to piston clearance with the new cam and rockers however. Pushrod length should not change if the cam base circle and lifters are the same as stock.
I do not soak my lifters but I do pre oil them. This assures they are filled with oil on engine start up and the valve train will get oil sooner. I also spin the oil pump to pre lube the engine.  

 
p2-72chevelle383 p2-72chevelle383
Guru | Posts: 942 | Joined: 08/09
Posted: 10/18/09
08:51 PM

why not get some rollers  

 
68scott385 68scott385
User | Posts: 66 | Joined: 10/09
Posted: 10/18/09
09:09 PM

if ya gotta buy new anyway...
rollers reduce friction...
less internal parasitic loss equals more grunt at the flywheel  

 
georgiaboyzr2 georgiaboyzr2
User | Posts: 61 | Joined: 05/09
Posted: 10/18/09
09:37 PM

becuase rollers are more expensive, and i wont see any gain from rollers since this is a low end "grunt" motor, probly wont see more than 3,000 rpm untill stuck in a mud hole. i can get summit brand rockers for like $50 a set. im already burned out on the motor as it is, but im finally on the home stretch... so if the stock ratio is 1.52, why do they offer a 1.5? i was always told the stock ratio is 1.4x, but i just asked to make sure, now im not really sure  

 
skyeking skyeking
Enthusiast | Posts: 424 | Joined: 08/09
Posted: 10/18/09
11:45 PM

Hi there.
Why not check out Cranes selection. Not much difference between them and CHPP
gear for reliability in my experiences. What does your Cam read?.
  Have Never soaked a lifter and have never had one fail. All made in the USA..
 Good luck with the project..Skyeking...  

 
gettnlarge01 gettnlarge01
Addict | Posts: 2669 | Joined: 09/09
Posted: 10/19/09
03:45 AM

Since your wanting to use the summit brand rockerarms I would buy the 1.6 because they will prob deflect enough to be in the 1.50-1.55 range  

 
georgiaboyzr2 georgiaboyzr2
User | Posts: 61 | Joined: 05/09
Posted: 10/19/09
09:24 PM

alright cool, i was leaning towards the 1.6's anyway.  

 
bigcam406 bigcam406
User | Posts: 197 | Joined: 03/07
Posted: 10/20/09
02:27 AM

the stock factory ratio is 1.5:1,not 1.52:1.comp cams makes that ratio to add a little lift.i know,not much difference.i'd definately go with 1.6's all around.by the way,Crane cams went out of business a few months ago,so i'd stick with comp or whoever in case of warranty issues.  

 
gettnlarge01 gettnlarge01
Addict | Posts: 2669 | Joined: 09/09
Posted: 10/20/09
03:34 AM

S&S has acquired Crane Cams and has started production on the motorcycle lines and automotive ignition lines as well. They are supposed to start production on automotive valvetrain soon. I would use Comp regardless.  

 
SMOKESHOW SMOKESHOW
Guru | Posts: 982 | Joined: 09/08
Posted: 10/20/09
05:46 AM

+1 on the comp stuff!  

 
gettnlarge01 gettnlarge01
Addict | Posts: 2669 | Joined: 09/09
Posted: 10/20/09
05:06 PM

Everyone has their favorites but Comp has always been the most dependable for me.  

 

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