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vavletrain: lifters, rockers, and pushrods questions
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Posted: 10/18/09 05:05 PM
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building a 406. its got a mild cam with .460/.480 lift, flat tappet. heres my questions... i need to buy some rocker arms, what is the stock ratio? im looking at getting some summit brand stamped steel rockers just like factory, but in a higher ratio, like 1.6... im building this motor for torque in a chevy truck, what ratio rocker should i go with? 1.5, 1.52, and 1.6 are whats available in stamped form. also, will i need to get longer pushrods or can i use the stock pushrods? my last question, half the people i talk to say to never soak the lifters in trans fluid/oil, the other half say i need to soak them... whats the right answer? soak or not to soak?
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Posted: 10/18/09 05:19 PM
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Stock rocker ratio is supposed to be 1.52 but due to deflection its more like 1.44. Comp Cams makes the mmost accurate rockers thats what I recommend. On a mild engine like that I would use Comp Cams 1.52. You will not need longer pushrods but if your having the block and heads milled for compression you might need shorter pushrods. I dont soak my lifters but I do prime the engine before cranking.
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Dave632
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Posted: 10/18/09 07:18 PM
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I cannot see the harm in using the 1.6s if they are available. I would check valve to piston clearance with the new cam and rockers however. Pushrod length should not change if the cam base circle and lifters are the same as stock. I do not soak my lifters but I do pre oil them. This assures they are filled with oil on engine start up and the valve train will get oil sooner. I also spin the oil pump to pre lube the engine.
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Posted: 10/18/09 08:51 PM
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why not get some rollers
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Posted: 10/18/09 09:09 PM
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if ya gotta buy new anyway... rollers reduce friction... less internal parasitic loss equals more grunt at the flywheel
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Posted: 10/18/09 09:37 PM
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becuase rollers are more expensive, and i wont see any gain from rollers since this is a low end "grunt" motor, probly wont see more than 3,000 rpm untill stuck in a mud hole. i can get summit brand rockers for like $50 a set. im already burned out on the motor as it is, but im finally on the home stretch... so if the stock ratio is 1.52, why do they offer a 1.5? i was always told the stock ratio is 1.4x, but i just asked to make sure, now im not really sure
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skyeking
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Posted: 10/18/09 11:45 PM
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Hi there. Why not check out Cranes selection. Not much difference between them and CHPP gear for reliability in my experiences. What does your Cam read?. Have Never soaked a lifter and have never had one fail. All made in the USA.. Good luck with the project..Skyeking...
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Posted: 10/19/09 03:45 AM
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Since your wanting to use the summit brand rockerarms I would buy the 1.6 because they will prob deflect enough to be in the 1.50-1.55 range
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Posted: 10/19/09 09:24 PM
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alright cool, i was leaning towards the 1.6's anyway.
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Posted: 10/20/09 02:27 AM
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the stock factory ratio is 1.5:1,not 1.52:1.comp cams makes that ratio to add a little lift.i know,not much difference.i'd definately go with 1.6's all around.by the way,Crane cams went out of business a few months ago,so i'd stick with comp or whoever in case of warranty issues.
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Posted: 10/20/09 03:34 AM
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S&S has acquired Crane Cams and has started production on the motorcycle lines and automotive ignition lines as well. They are supposed to start production on automotive valvetrain soon. I would use Comp regardless.
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Posted: 10/20/09 05:46 AM
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+1 on the comp stuff!
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Posted: 10/20/09 05:06 PM
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Everyone has their favorites but Comp has always been the most dependable for me.
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