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ebncrdr
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Posted: 12/01/06 09:50 PM
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My car is a 1971 Chevrolet El Camino with a 350 and the stock camshaft. I purchased Performer RPM heads, RMP Air Gap intake, Summit 1.5 roller rockers, +.100 pushrods and a 600 Performer Carb. Compression ratio is about 10:1. I start the car and let it warm to operating temperature. Then when the engine is reved at idle it is fine only when operating the primaries. The INSTANT the secondaries are opened there is a large boom sound. Like there is a miss in the engine. If you slowly increase the engine rpm there is a slight sputtering as you ease the secondaries open. Also the car is idling very rough like there is a timing issue. The ignition has been upgraded to an performance HEI unit with an ACCEL Super Coil, Accel Super Stock 8mm wires, Accel Ignition Module and Accel U-Groove spark plugs. We have about 32 degrees of timing in it. I would increase the timing up to 36 but as the timing is increased the idle becomes more rough. I checked compression in the cylinders and all are fairly equal. The car also does this when it is driven and nearly dies when you stab the throttle. I have eliminated the possibility of it being the carb by also trying a Holley 600 Double Pumper off of an extremely similar motor (only difference is the aluminum heads) and it does the exact same thing. Its so weird. The car sounds good but runs like a complete turd. Any help would be awesome.
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jeffkoch
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Posted: 12/02/06 09:45 AM
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how come you have longer pushrods?
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Posted: 12/04/06 10:11 AM
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.100 pushrods are required when using RPM heads with Stock Rocker arms. I also have a set.
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oldBogie
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Posted: 12/04/06 12:38 PM
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I don't know if the 600 performer carb is the Edlebrock Q-jet or the Carter, but whichever, the carb is dropping lean on the secondaries. whether this is a secondary metering problem or a primary problem, I can't tell from here. But basically this needs to be thought of as a secondary problem first. As they are opened more air is admitted to the engine, if the secondary metering isn't keeping up to fuel requirements, the mixture drops to the lean side. This is accompanied by sharp sounding sputtering and back fires thru the carb. On both carbs you have to control the rate the secondary airflow valve opens, if it's too loose you can pull air faster than the fuel meter circuits can deliver fuel and get a momentary lean out. You can hide this with the accelerating pump, but it's better to slow the air valve down a bit. Also you don't want too much idle throttle opening, unless you've got the Carter with an idle air bypass valve. You've got to keep the bottom of the butterflies just at the transition ports. This also applies to Holleys.
I'm speaking generically between the Q-jet and the Carter. For a Q-jet, this can be an alignment problem with the secondary metering rods not coming up fast enough/far enough, or they're too big which makes the jet opening too small for the air flow. If an AFB design, the jets could be too small or the boost venturi is loose and leaking air into the secondary metering circuit.
On the primary side of either carb, those metrering rods might be out of adjustment as well, by the time you're hitting the secondaries, the primary metering rods should be commited to the "power" enrichment setting which is their smallest diameter. If they're not all the way on this step the total mixture will fall lean unless the secondaries are running really rich. On the primary side this can lead you to a vacuum leak to the control piston(s) or excessivly stiff metering piston(s) return spring that dissrupts its function. Talk to Edlebrock's tech help.
Then of course then can be dirt of gunk caught in a circuit, or the fuel pressure doesn't keep up with demand, usually because of a bad pump or plugged filter. Both the Carter and the Q-jet have a filter in the inlet that is legion for plugging up, so check it out, it's behind the inlet nut. Float levels can also be a problem, a little low might not show on the primaries but when the bowl has to feed both P and S it might not be enough. Both carbs suffer from primary lean out on hard acceleration as the G forces push fuel to the back side of the float bowl(s). The Q-jet has a splash shield, it has to be there or this is a big problem.
There's more esoteric things that go wrong but these above are the most common ones.
Holley as a cure all, where super good gas mileage isn't the prime concern, the Holley is a lot easier to debug than anything else.
Bogie
Edited 12/4/2006 4:35 pm by oldBogie
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